This isn’t a real “Dear Emily” question. It’s a comment I received from a post I wrote a while ago on veterinary experimentation — Veterinary Students: Merchants of Death? I feel like it summarizes my thoughts on veterinary experimentation very well.
I should also state for the record — various people have accused me of bashing the veterinary profession. I don’t think I am — I think I’m looking at it from a rational perspective, but if you think I’m bashing it, you’re quite welcome to feel that way. :) My mom is a veterinarian (Hi Mom!), and I almost went to veterinary school, so I think I have more of a critical understanding of veterinary medicine than many people do, and I do tend to attack its weak spots more stridently than other people do (and I’m just argumentative by nature!). I debate this sort of stuff with my mom at the dinner table all the time. Also I’ve met a lot of very conservative veterinarians who really don’t care about animal rights (not that they’re not nice people who aren’t deeply devoted to the animals in their care — they just vigorously oppose animal activism of any kind and think animals are here to feed us and provide us with research subjects) — and they’ve made me really question the common belief that veterinarians have animal welfare at heart. You know large animal veterinary medicine? The job description of large animal medicine is literally fattening up animals for slaughter. (I don’t think large animal veterinarians are bad people — I can’t tell you how many nice large animal veterinarians I’ve met who really enjoy visiting the sheep and cows in their care — they’ll tell me about their favorite cow, I kid you not. They just don’t see the problem with slaughtering animals eventually. It’s an interesting mindset full of contradictions.)
I also think that once more members of the veterinary community adopt a more animal welfare centric lifestyle, there will be a revolution in animal welfare in this country. Who better to drive improvements in animal welfare, after all? If you are a veterinarian, and you’re interested in animal welfare, there’s a conference in November on it– Swimming With the Tide—Animal Welfare in Veterinary Medical Education and Research. You should also join the Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association.
Anyway, here is the comment and my response:
I just wanted to comment on/clarify something about this issue. Although I am sure some individuals actually hurt the animals in order to do surgeries, this is not always the case. For example, after speaking to faculty and students at Iowa State Vet school, I learned that they only use animals that have been injured or are sick already. They absolutely do not injure the animals just for the sake of learning/research. In order to learn surgeries with bone issues, they use PVC pipes and things like that.
Also, Emily referred to torture situations and compared these surgeries with those and I think that that comparison is inaccurate. These animals (at least at Iowa State) are not tortured. They are taken in by the school and cared for when the humane society is going to euthanize them. Then, they are put under like they are going into real surgery (which means they can’t feel anything, since when I have been put under for surgery it is painless, and you wake up and just feel like you forgot the last couple of hours). The surgery is done exactly as it would be done in a real vet clinic as if they animal would be woken up again. Then the anesthetic is increased. So the animal feels no more pain then they would have if they would have just been put to sleep. And they have the chance of living a bit longer and being cared for and played with by the students. They also have the chance of being adopted by the students.
I agree with the fact that this is a very controversial subject. And my heart has some problems with it as well. But I think it is important to at least understand what is happening, and not try to make it sound like these vet schools are torturing these dogs. I am by no means saying these surgeries are “okay” but people should be properly informed before they decide on their own opinion.
My response:
I’m glad you agree that this is a controversial subject, and I’m so GLAD to hear your heart has some problems with it as well. I also agree with you that it is important to at least understand what is happening. However, I disagree with you that these vet schools aren’t torturing these dogs.
Um, interesting choice of examples — PCRM just declared a victory in forcing Iowa State to stop using healthy live animals to practice emergency procedures on. So, I don’t think they made that jump to using pipes willingly — we have PCRM to thank for stopping Iowa State from torturing live dogs.
Second point, so you’re okay with using healthy dogs as subjects for unnecessary surgeries, but you oppose my using the word “torture” for these since according to you, none of these dogs are ever allowed to wake up once they’ve started being attacked with a scalpel? I guess I can honor your opinion there — if that’s the way you feel, that’s the way you feel, and it is your right, and I don’t dispute that. Again though, I’m a little unsure of the whole they’re under anesthesia, therefore it’s painless, argument. I had a pet that died while I was on vacation, and the veterinarian told me they couldn’t keep her alive till I returned — there were no pain medications that would dull her state of pain, and that they could keep her under anesthesia at different levels of consciousness — just a little would basically keep her not moving for the MRI, a lot would almost kill her, etc.
So, I’m wondering — I always find it funny when people claim things aren’t torture or “bad” in any way if they’re done to animals — just substitute the word “human” there and suddenly they turn around. Do you feel the same way? If I took a human being, anesthetized them, performed all kinds of unnecessary procedures on them, and then killed them, would you NOT consider that torture? Or sick? Or do you think that would be good medicine? You wouldn’t worry about the anesthesia levels being high enough? (No jokes about human medicine here, please! I know there are lots of unnecessary procedures that occur there
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That is a really good point about the animals having a chance of being cared for and played with by the students — I really like to think that happens.
I think the current trend in veterinary medicine of moving away from taking unwanted dogs and performing unnecessary, though anesthetized, surgeries on them, and instead turning to shelter medicine, is the far more humane way to go. Long live shelter medicine! (I’ve been keeping up on the veterinary trends, as you can see . . . )
Thanks for writing in,
Emily
(Do you have a cruelty-free question for me? Email emilycrueltyfree@gmail.com)